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Zainhund
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Topic: ScharnhorstPosted: Feb-09-07 at 10:53am |
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"Scharnhorst ever onwards." - Rear Admiral Erich Bey, Captain of the Scharnhorst, 26 Dec. 1943, while being pursued by 13 British warships.
One of the few color photographs of Scharnhorst, believed to be taken on Hitler's birthday, April 20, 1939.
Scharnhorst was a famous World War II battleship of the German Kriegsmarine, named after the Prussian general Gerhard von Scharnhorst and to commemorate the World War I cruiser SMS Scharnhorst that was sunk in the
She spent almost 16 months being built before she was launched on
More months of battle training were conducted in the Baltic before Scharnhorst returned to On 21 November the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau headed for the
Scharnhorst followed by a destroyer and one of her onboard He-115 float planes in the North Atlantic in 1940.
The sisters returned to port for minor overhaul and were icebound in In April of 1940 The Sisters assisted with the invasion of In May 1940 the German Naval High Command prepared an operation against the supply and evacuation lines for the British army still fighting in northern Gneisenau orders to save ammo and use only secondary guns as the brave Ardent fires its guns uninterrupted and lets loose 4 more salvos of torpedos at Scharnhorst, forcing it to evade, while taking hits from both sisters. The destroyer Acasta keeps a smoke screen on Glorious but the stern is burning fiercly. As the smoke clears Gneisenau orders open fire on Glorious and Acasta again while Scharnhorst engages Ardent. The Ardent is at last capsized and sinking but had gotten off one last torpedo salvo that went across the bow. Gneisenau congratulates Scharnhorst on sinking the Ardent. Scharnhorst opens fire with main guns on Glorious and secondary guns on Acasta but again is told to conserve ammo. The also brave destroyer Acasta skillfully makes smoke and maneuvers to open fire on Scharnhorst and approach for torpedo runs. Gneisenau continues to finish off the Glorious from short range. A torpedo from Acasta's second salvo of 4 hits Scharnhorst astern. Gneisenau switches fire to Acasta and stays out of torpedo range. Scharnhorst's starboard engine is damaged and some gunfire from the severely injured Acasta also hits. The Acasta sinks. Gneisenau orders the war flag at half mast and stand up in attention to honor the brave crew of the British destroyer Acasta. The German ships leave without picking up survivors due to Scharnhorst's damage and the clear danger they were in. 48 men were killed on Scharnhorst from the torpedo hit. Although about 900 men were able to evacuate the 3 British ships it took the British 2 days to learn about the disaster and reach the area and only 46 survivors total were recovered from the sea with about 1,500 lost.
Photo from Scharnhorst of Gneisenau firing on HMS Glorious 8 June 1940.
HMS Glorious burns, surrounded in a smoke screen from her destroyers.
Back in dry dock, the hole in Scharnhorst from HMS Acasta torpedo.
The ships returned to
For 3 months Scharnhorst and Gneisenau rule the Atlantic.
Although every effort had been made to enforce secrecy, the ships were spotted by a British agent as they steamed off
Scharnhorst in 1941 as seen from Gneisenau, showing how wet these low riding ships could get.
By March 1941, the two ships were near the Scharnhorst spotted a battleship and knew a convoy must be nearby. The Sisters lead 2 u-boats to the convoy and the subs sink 6 out of 12 of them. On the way to refueling Scharnhorst sinks a Greek freighter In
To further depress the Allies,after sinking or capturing 22 merchant ships in their last operation, Scharnhorst and Gneisenau successfully make a broad daylight "Channel Dash".
Famous "Channel Dash" photo 12 Feb. 1942. Scharnhorst is center right, aft is Gneisenau center left. They are flanked by protecting destroyers. One of the many artistic depictions of the scene.
On Dec. 23-24 Admiral Fraser practices Scharnhorst attack exercises with his fleet of battleship H.M.S. Duke of York, light cruiser H.M.S. Jamaica and 4 destroyers. The Russian bound convoys are escorted by heavy cruiser H.M.S. Norfolk, light cruisers H.M.S. Belfast and On Christmas Day German reconnaissance planes pick up the convoy and Dönitz orders the attack. Norwegian agents inform via radio transmission to UK Intelligence agency that Scharnhorst has left the fjord and is at sea. The German orders were also broken by the secret British code breaking project.
The next day Scharnhorst and her destroyers are unable to find the convoy in the bad weather and Rear Admiral Bey detaches the destroyers, leaving Scharnhorst alone. Contact with the destroyers is lost. Less than two hours later, the convoy escorts Norfolk and Belfast pick the Scharnhorst up on radar. Under cover of snow, the British cruisers opened fire. A lucky hit by Norfolk wipes out Scharnhorst's main radar, leaving her sailing almost blind and unable to return fire in low visibility. After a skirmish Scharnhorst disengages and sails south back to Norway, unaware that Fraser's ships with HMS Duke of York were waiting there for her. Scharnhorst's only working radar, aft, did not pick up the Duke of York as she closed the trap. Duke of York turns to allow all of her main armament guns (10 by 356 mm) to be used. Later that evening Admiral Bruce Fraser briefed his officers on board Duke of York: "Gentlemen, the battle against Scharnhorst has ended in victory for us. I hope that if any of you are ever called upon to lead a ship into action against an opponent many times superior, you will command your ship as gallantly as Scharnhorst was commanded today". On 3 October 2000, the submerged wreck of Scharnhorst was located at about 72°16′N 28°41′E, approximately 70 nautical miles (130 km) north-northeast of North Cape at a depth of nearly 300 m and photographed by the Royal Norwegian Navy.
One of the last known photos of a camouflaged Scharnhorst, Norway, 1943.
In May 1980 at the Naval Memorial Laboe near Kiel, the society of surviving Scharnhorst crewmen unveiled and dedicated this plaque to the memory of the battleships dead. The inscription read: Edited by Zainhund |
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Baka
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Crown Prince of Fluff Joined: Nov-23-02 Location: Sector 2814 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11783 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 11:19am |
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Can't imagine why Zain would hit upon this. Oh wait. It's his name.
/too long //didn't read ///looked at pictures though |
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Zainhund
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Posted: Feb-09-07 at 11:26am |
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I know it's hopeless to remind Baka that there is more on TV than "E! The Girls Next Door", but hey the History Channel can be fun too. And now I can link people who ask me about my names. |
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Baka
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Crown Prince of Fluff Joined: Nov-23-02 Location: Sector 2814 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11783 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 12:01pm |
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E! The Girls Next Door is a fine show. Beauty and the Geek though is high drama.
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This post only underscores the solidity of my bulk like a tarpaulin draped over a concrete pylon.
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Doki
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Naturally Juicy! Joined: Nov-30-04 Location: Isle Of Man Online Status: Offline Posts: 5590 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 12:14pm |
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Why would you name characters after Nazi warships?
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yiff.
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Drye
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Joined: Jan-09-04 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 5019 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 12:23pm |
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I guess it's a step up from 'Basket'
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Baka
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Crown Prince of Fluff Joined: Nov-23-02 Location: Sector 2814 Online Status: Offline Posts: 11783 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 12:35pm |
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Origin is a Prussian General.
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This post only underscores the solidity of my bulk like a tarpaulin draped over a concrete pylon.
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Gavina
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Mistress of Death Fu Joined: Jun-07-02 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 4689 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 1:17pm |
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The third salvo hit the Glorious flight deck from 24,175m (15 land miles) away, still the longest recorded gunfire hit on an enemy warship, Debatable. Both the Yamoto (IJN) and the Kongo (IJN) were 17 miles off Taffy 3 when they started firing at the carriers Gambier Bay and Kalinin Bay in the Battle of Samar. Both carriers were known to have taken mutlpile large caliber hits. Will have to research more later, children are bugging me. |
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Zainhund
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Joined: Jun-03-02 Location: Armenia Online Status: Offline Posts: 4867 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 1:21pm |
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I will answer your question because it's Friday. But first we need to go back to a farm in Augusta, Kansas in the early 1940's. My father was a young teenager then, growing up on the plains at my grandfather's wheat, cattle and other products basic Midwest farm. Unlike many farmers in the area, my grandparents managed their farm and money well and had come through the Great Depression alright. My grandmother ran a busy country store from the property. My father and his sister worked on the farm and went to the same 2 room schoolhouse where my very busy grandmother also taught. My father had his mother as his teached for 2 years. WWII came along and as a side note my uncle was old enough to have to go to war, and being a brainy one, learned various Japanese and Chinese dialects and worked with codebreakers in Pearl Harbor. He eventually became a noted Professor of Far Eastern History at OSU and UO (Oklahoma), received Japan's highest civilian foreigner award for his translations of samurai diaries and led some of the first tours in China when it was opened during the Nixon era. Anyway, thousands of German prisoners of war were brought back to the US and interred here. I didn't know this before my dad told me this story. One of the prison camps was near my grandparent's farm and they offered the prisoners a chance to get out and work away from the prison if they wanted. The deal was they would work on the farm all day (with little to no benefit - just to get outside for a day) and my grandfather had to feed them. So my dad used to have meals, that my grandmother would make, with a dozen German POWS. They only let the trusted ones out of course and my father remembers them all as a genial lot. In fact after the war many of the German POWS interred in the US including some of these stayed in this country, either liking it here better and/or having nothing to go home to. Almost Genghis Khan style eh? - assimilate the enemy. The point is of course that we are not just sometimes a product of environment, but also a prisoner of it. Many German soldiers, sailors and even officers were perfectly decent people that got roped into the war just as many of our fighting men and women got roped in. Many of the Germans thought Hitler was a lunatic and did not share his views on Aryan superiority and were overjoyed to have him put down. Although I've seen only a small part of the world myself I am constantly intrigued to find that when I go to foreign countries the people there are more like "us" than different from us. Hitler was an evil man. Many atrocities were carried out on his behalf, but this does not mean all Germans were evil. If you read the story above you will find that the Scharnhorst fought with honor according to naval tradition, allowing a hospital ship to go free after ambushing a convoy, rescuing survivors when possible and lowering her war flag to half mast to salute a sunken enemy ship that had fought bravely. I believe in tolerance, reconciliation and understanding versus judgement and I chose these names to reflect that. And because a Hobbit named Bismarck running around in LOTR Online was funny. So WTF is a Doki? |
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thune
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Title Prevaricator Joined: Jan-10-03 Location: L.I. New York Online Status: Offline Posts: 6063 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 1:24pm |
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has a chance of getting baned ask focker he named after the german plane |
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Zainhund
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Posted: Feb-09-07 at 1:31pm |
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It's always fun to play the Yamato in war games with those big ass guns. Let me know what you find out. |
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Gavina
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Mistress of Death Fu Joined: Jun-07-02 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 4689 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 5:17pm |
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Edit: These smiley faces apparently added ( along with odd alignment and font changes) because I left the board page up and the keyboard accesible to a 4 year old elf spawn.
Edited by Gavina |
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Achanos
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Posted: Feb-09-07 at 6:11pm |
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Actually some of those ship predate the Nazi party, mainly the cruiser fleet, having been laid down in the early 20's, but the famous ones were all Nazi built. All of the battleships and most of the heavy cruisers were Nazi built ships. It takes years to build out a capital ship like that. All the major surface combatants were laid down in the 20's and early 30's. Once the war started, the Nazi's were much more interested in U-boats/E-boats than capital ships, since there was no realistic way the Germans could have competed with British ship numbers unless they had actually gone through with the prewar Z plan.
As far as Nazi's and the Kriegsmarine, Hitler really didnt understand the navy, and of all the WWII German services, it was the least political. It was also given short shrift by the Nazi government, being dead last in most cases. It also had one of the highest loss rates of any naval combatant in any major conflict. The majority of all the major German surface combatants were sunk, only a few cruisers survived the war, and those were broken up, or served as target ships, or as test targets for the nuclear tests at Bikini Atoll. I despise the Nazi's, and dont regret the destruction of the German miliary in any way shape or form, they brought it upon themselves. At the same time, I think that you can respect the actions of some of the individuals who were trying their best in an impossible situation. |
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Syren
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Gimme Some Lovin Joined: Dec-11-04 Location: At my desk Online Status: Offline Posts: 2511 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 6:23pm |
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This is an excellent point, and one of those pieces of history and the military that I find rather interesting. Many of the men in the German military were there before the Nazis rose to power and stayed because they were soldiers, not because of the politics. Many served with honor. For those that have seen HBO's "Band of Brothers", one of the scenes that always stood out for me was the German soldier that the Americans captured that was from the U.S. somewhere. He actually was "us", but circumstances drove him back "home" to serve in the German military. I would guess that a decision like that was based more on honor and love of country rather than love of Nazi politics - but is still an interesting question. A modern parallel, though nowhere near as drastic or difficult as the situation German soldiers faced, is that of U.S. soldiers that disagree with the decision to go into Iraq. They may disagree with the politics that put them in the situation, but once they're there, they do their job as best as they can and (for the most part) do so honorably and in the manner of our best military traditions. I don't want to start a debate on the war here, since I know there are opinions on both sides; I just wanted to point out that soldiers performing in spite of their personal opposition to policy is something that has always been the case and most likely always will be the case when it comes to war. |
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Fokker
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No really, its a plane! Joined: Jun-01-02 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 1339 |
Posted: Feb-09-07 at 7:12pm |
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The name of the plane is Fokker. Focker is that crappy Ben Stiller charecter. And I was banned not because it was a german WWI fighting plane, but because Beavis and Butthead would have laughed at my name and that seems to be the criteria that Blizzard uses to determine bad names. No other game that I have played either live or in beta has even blinked at my name. |
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Fokker
Pain is Temporary...Glory is Forever Bones Heal...Chicks dig Scars. |
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Duilliath
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Posted: Feb-10-07 at 9:46am |
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That's because Beavis and Butthead are Blizzard's target audience.
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Gavina
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Posted: Feb-10-07 at 11:00am |
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Ok did some more research. Couldn't find any precise times recorded when the first large caliber shell hit the Kalinin Bay or the Gambier Bay. Both were being fired upon by cruisers as well as battleships after a few minutes into the battle, so it might have been hard to determine the exact distance of the hits. However, the hits scored by the Scharnhorst were made at extreme range while both ships were at max speed- and several hits scored. This is an impressive feat of gunnery and well worth the title of longest ranged shot to hit an enemy warship. It should also be noted that the Scharnhorst sunk her target while (during the Battle of Samar)the Yamoto broke off firing at Taffy 3 to avoid torpedoes and effectively fled the battle. The Kongo continued firing but the hits that sunk the Gambier Bay were most likely from torpedoes and the Jappanese cruisers, no the battleships. The Kalinin Bay, despite up to 15 large caliber hits from the battleships and numerous hits from the cruisers, remained afloat- a testament to pure dumb luck and the tenacity of her crew. |
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